How I’m thinking Wyoming top bar hives.
Criteria
I used the following criteria for a functional top bar hive:
- easily built.
- use conventional material.
- 3 to 4 deep supers in volume.
- low to the ground preventing wind or cattle damage.
- easily moved with a hand truck.
- wind tight.
- suitable for over wintering in Wyoming’s harsh climate.
Hive Body
Construction
The top bar hive bodies are built from 1″ x 6″ x 6′ lumber. These boards are glued together forming the basic building stock. Individual parts are cut out of it. And they are glued and screwed together.

First, build the bottom. Bevel the sides at the same angle as the sidewall slope. Leave enough room on the 2" x 4" cleat for the sides and the ends.

Then, cut out the ends and fastened them to the bottom.

Next, fasten the sides on. Bevel the edges, along each sides, at the same angel as the sides slope off vertical. The bevels are parallel to each other.

Finally, the entrances are cut and the hive is painted.
All my top bar hives are constructed this way. I’ve changed the dimensions and a few details to simplify construct, and to make more efficient use of lumber.
Evolution
Sidewall slopes have varied from 22.5, to 19, to 8 degrees off vertical.
The entrance was changed from multiple 3/4 inch holes in one end, to a couple of 12 inch slots along one side.
The ends, which were flush with the upper surface of the top bars, are now flush with the side walls. A spacer bar, which sets on top of the ends, provides a proper bee space and allows easier access to end combs.
Lifting cleats were added to each end.

Completed Top Bar Hive
Current Design
This is my latest hive body. The sides are three boards high. The bottom is three boards wide. The sides slope 8 degrees off vertical.
The shallower slope of this top bar hive, allows standard deep frames to set beneath the top bars, a feature lacking on my earlier hives.
One entrance in usually plugged in this hive. The second entrance provides more management options. A nuc can be run behind a follower board. And the second entrance provides more ventilation if needed.
A spacer cleat sets on top of each end. The spacer cleat is a 1 1/8″ wide top bar that is fastened to each end of the top bar hive.
Top Bars
Construction
Studs are cheap and easily obtained. And at 1 3/4″ thick, they are a near fit to a top bar width. I use a table saw to rip top bars out of 2″x4″ studs. For rigidity, I rip my top bar stock 1″ thick. Then cut the top bar width to 1 1/4″. A 1/8″ deep saw kerf is cut down the bottom center. And then I cut them to the right length.

Top bar with beeswax filled kerf.
Evolution
I’ve tried top bars at 1 1/4″ and 1 3/8″ widths. The 1 1/4″ bars worked better toward the front of the broodnest. The 1 3/8″ bars worked better toward the rear of the broodnest.
I’ve experimented with “T” shaped re-reinforced top bars. These re-reinforcements significantly strengthened the comb, even allowing mature comb to be handled with one hand. But due to their disadvantages, I’ve abandoned all reinforcements.
I’ve tried various methods:
- beeswax foundation.
- dipped, molded beeswax starter strips.
- beeswax coated wooden splines.
- plastic foundation.
- beeswax filled kerf.
I’ve recessed the top bars so that they set down on the side. This prevents them from sliding sideways. But once the bees occupy the hive, there’s enough propolis to prevent sliding. So, I no longer recess the top bars.

Top Bar Dimensions.
Current Design
I’ve settled on a 1 1/4″ top bar width. They are 1″ thick. And 22″ long. A 1/8 inch saw kerf is run down the center of the bottom surface. That provides a footing for a beeswax starter strip.
I’ve reduced the starter strip to a minimum. I fill the saw kerf with hot molten beeswax. Then I run a second bead of cooler melted beeswax on top of the first one. A slightly raised beeswax line results. It is firmly attached, runs down the center of each bar.
This top bar is easy and fast to build. It’s strong and stores readily.
I build several extra top bars and rip them into 1/4″ strips. They take the place of a couple of top bars toward the rear of the hive. These strips are inserted between top bars, in the honey storage area, when the bees want a wider comb width. And they are removed when the wood swells to allow easy top bar hive removal.
Cover
Construction
My top bar hive covers have a frame of 3/4″ lumber covered by 1/2″ OSB. I insulate them with 2″ of blue foam. They telescope down to cover the ends of the top bars. Sloped covers can be singled to water proof them. Sheet metal or corrugated roofing waterproof the flat covers.
Cover Evolution
My first covers were sloped. They looked great, provided an attic space and shed precipitation. But they required much time and effort to build.
Although flat covers are ugly, I’ve switched to them. They are fast and easy to build. They are easily insulated with blue foam board. And empty top bar hives can be stacked on top of each other.
Plans

My top bar hive dimensions.
Google Sketchup is a free 3D CAD program. It has a very intuitive interface and is quickly mastered. With it you can enlarge, rotate, manipulate, measure, section, and edit my Top bar hive Sketchup file in any fashion you choose. You can download it here.
If you like the design, but want different dimensions. Just rescale it in Sketchup. You can stretch or squeeze it anyway you like
Different hive components are drafted on different layers which can be viewed, printed or not.
Enjoy!
Best Hive?
My top bar hive criteria and designs illustrate how easily a top bar hive is built. My hive might not be an optimum hive for someone else in a different climate.
Actually, my next top bar hive will be the best one ever for me. And if you have built a one, your next design will be the best one for you. Or you haven’t learned much from the experience :>)
Bonjour,
Trés bon travail que vous avez fait et surtout, vous avez eu la délicatesse de donner le plan qui me parait trés exploitable, Je vais traduire ces dimension en centimètres. J’ai une grande expérience de ces ruches KTBH car j’ai beaucoup travaillé en Afrique noire où j’y ai développé l’apiculture avec ces ruches , je suis aprés en construire en France pour mon utilisation personnelle. J’ai aussi constaté que le miel obtenu par pressage au pressoir ou à la presse hydraulique se conservait mieux et gardait une bonne saveur trés longtemps, sans doute parce que il est moins chargé en oxygène que celui obtenu par l’extracteur.
Cordialement J.TURCHET
By: Jacques TURCHET on 12/14/2009
at 11:00 am
Greetings J.TURCHET
Thanks for your gracious note. I too appreciate the quality of top bar honey over extracted. And when fresh, it’s probiotic.
Regards – Dennis Murrell – BWrangler
By: Dennis Murrell on 12/16/2009
at 12:02 pm
Bonjour, je fais suite à mon premier message car je vois que vous avez eu une idée géniale de faire deux sortie sue le côté, c’est une trés bonne idée, trés logique pour ce type de ruche et qui permet une bonne ventilation, je n’y avais pas pensé, merci pour cette idée
Cordialement J.TURCHET
By: Jacques TURCHET on 12/14/2009
at 12:12 pm
Greetings J.TURCHET
When I designed my top bar hives, only a few used an entrance along the side. I liked the looks of one on the end. But tested the two approaches and found those along the side were preferred by the bees. And they were much more functional.
Les Crowder did the same kind of test. And got the same results.
Regards – Dennis Murrell – BWrangler
By: Dennis Murrell on 12/16/2009
at 12:08 pm
What is your opinion of screen bottoms for top bar hives in the summer?
By: Larry on 12/16/2009
at 10:01 am
Hi Larry,
Lots of variables there.
Depending upon the hive design, the ratio of surface area of a screened bottom compared to the hive volume could range from a small fraction to several integers. The slope and height of the sidewalls being the major factor.
Climate would also be a major factor to consider. In Wyoming, with it’s long, cold, very windy seasons, less is better. While in Florida, a beekeeper told me beekeeping there is all about heat dissipation. So, more is probably better there.
A screened bottom board might work during one season and not in another. Some climates are extremely hot in the summer and very cold in the winter. Others are more moderate year around.
I have run conventional Langs with screened bottom boards. But don’t have any such experience with top bar hives. Following the bees is probably the best course of action. Some questions to think about:
Larry, what are your thoughts?
Regards – Dennis Murrell – BWrangler
By: Dennis Murrell on 12/16/2009
at 12:23 pm
I am considering a screen bottom addition to your “next top bar hive” with vertical sides to aid in the control of varroa mites during the summer.
The summer temperatures in my area range from highs in the upper 70’s to middle 90’s and nighttime lows in the 60’s.
I think a solid panel would be needed to close the screen bottom from early fall until late spring as winter temperatures can drop down to single digits at night.
By: Larry on 12/16/2009
at 12:56 pm
Bonjour,
Une question sur les deux entrées et sorties de la ruche, j’ai remarqué qu’il n’y a pas de planche de vol sous ces sorties et entrées, cela ne perturbe t-il pas les abeilles qui arrivent pour se poser avant de rentrer, merci de votre réponse.
jacques.turchet@orange.fr.
Jacques TURCHET
By: Jacques TURCHET on 12/21/2009
at 11:46 am
Hi Jacques,
You are a keen observer! It’s true that the bee flight of one colony remains oriented toward a single entrance.
I sized each entrance to met those preferred by swarming bees. There has been much research in this area by Roger Morse and Tom Seeley. And my bees have found a single entrance suitable.
And the bees build a broodnest structure that is keyed toward the entrance. Pheromones tracked by the bees help them keep the entrance and the broodnest in proper orientation.
Each entrance was sized this way so that I could run two colonies in one hive if I chose. I can open or close the second entrance as needed.
Regards – Dennis Murrell – BWrangler
By: Dennis Murrell on 12/21/2009
at 6:16 pm
Bonjour, Dennis et merci
Il semble que ma question n’a pas bien été comprise, oui les deux entrées sont une trés bonne chose et je suis bien entendu pour cette solution mais ce que je veux dire, c’est qu’il n’y a pas de tremplins sur les deux entrées pour que les abeilles puissent se poser à l’arrivée comme au départ et pour que les gardiennes puissent naviguer à l’extérieur , voila toute ma question. J’insiste sur ce petit détail car je suis dans la construction de cette ruche et je voudrais savoir si je dois mettre un tremplin ou pas. Merci de votre réponse.
Bien cordialement Jacques TURCHET
By: Jacques TURCHET on 12/23/2009
at 3:43 pm
Mon expérience est que les conseils d’atterrissage ne sont pas nécessaires pour les abeilles. Mes abeilles se portent très bien sans eux. Les abeilles de garde sont situées à l’intérieur de l’entrée à l’ouverture. Les conseils de rendre plus facile pour les parasites de la cire d’entrer dans la ruche. Les conseils de collecter aussi de la neige qui peut couvrir l’entrée.
By: Larry on 12/23/2009
at 7:26 pm
Bonjour, Larry
Merci de la réponse, je vais repecter vos remarques qui sont trés bonnes, vous avez raison car dans la nature, les abeilles n’ont pa
By: Jacques TURCHET on 12/24/2009
at 5:07 am
Bonjour Larry,
Merci de votre réponse, vos remarques sont fonctionnelles, dans la nature les abeilles n’ont pas de tremplin d’envol et elles travaillent bien, d’autre part, elles sont souvent en meilleure santé que nos abeilles mises dans de belles ruches. Votre rmarque sur les parasites est bonne, cela peut favoriser leur arrivée dans la ruche, quant à la neige, oui l’accumulation devant l’entrée peut provoquer la mort des abeilles par manque d’air, on a déja vu cela chez nous.
Cordialement J.TURCHET
By: Jacques TURCHET on 12/24/2009
at 5:27 am
Dennis, Bonjour,
Juste une petite question, pouvez vous me donner la longeur et la hauteur des deux sorties et entrées des abeilles en bas de la planche de la façe avant, je suis en pleine construction de cette ruche, je ne la trouve pas sur le plan. Avec toutes mes excuses pour ce dérangement supplémentaire et Grand merci par avance, avec quelle race d’abeilles travaillez vous, moi je suis avec l’abeille italienne et carnolienne.
Cordialement J.TURCHET
By: Jacques TURCHET on 12/29/2009
at 9:45 am
It’s 3/8 inches by 10 inches. I use only one entrance in the winter and reduce it to about half it’s length.
Regards – Dennis Murrell – BWrangler
By: Dennis Murrell on 12/30/2009
at 1:26 pm
Merci Dennis pour la réponse aux dimensions et bonne fêtes de fin d’année, que 2010 t’apporte bonheur et santé.
Cordialement Jacques turchet
By: Jacques TURCHET on 12/30/2009
at 3:20 pm
Bonjour,
Super votre ruche ktbh. J’ai moi même construit mes ruches warre. J’aimerai construire quelque ktbh. Quelqu’un pourrait-il me donner les mesures en cm? Cette ruche est elle adaptée au climat de la région PACA?
Merci.
By: leze Roland on 01/15/2010
at 1:45 pm
Bonjour, Leze Roland
Si tu parles de la région PACA, c’est que tu es en France, oui ces ruches conviennent parfaitement à la région PACA, je suis dans le cntre de la France et elles conviennent parfaitement mais il faut bien savoir les conduire. J’ai une grande expérience de ces ruches car je l’ai ai beaucoup utilisé en Afrique durand une dizaines d’années et ça fonctionne bien. J’en construit quelques unes en ce moment chez moi en France. Si tu veux des renseignements plus précis, tu peux me contacter. Pour les dimensions en cm, c’est facile de faire la conversion.
J.TURCHET
By: Jacques TURCHET on 01/16/2010
at 6:17 am
Bonjour Jacques Turchet,
Comment fait on les conversions en cm? j’ai regardé les différentes ktbh il n’y en a pas une de pareille! Il y a t-il une inclinaison a respecter pour que les abeilles ne collent pas les barrettes aux parois? Il y a t-il des règles absolu a respecter dans la construction?
Je compte faire un plancher grillager anti-varroa qu’en pensez-vous?
Cela fait beaucoup de questions, mais je suis un éternel curieux et vous remercie pour vos réponses.
R.leze
By: leze roland on 01/20/2010
at 12:08 am
Bonjour, Leze Rioland
Oui il y a plusieurs dimensions dans les KTBH, mais il y a les dimensions de la première qui a été faite au kenya aprés chacun peut faire des modifications en fonction des régions, des races d’abeilles et de ses observations personnelles, l’important est de respecter l’inclinaison des parois entre 110 et 120 degrés. Le plancher anti varroa n’est pas une règle absolue mais pourquoi pas la région PACA n’est pas trés froide. Pour les dimensions en cm voici les conversions principales qu’il te faut:
1/8 = 3,175mm
3/16 = 4,76mm
1/4 = 6,35mm
3/8 = 9, 52mm
1/2 = 12,7mm
5/8 = 15,87mm
3/4 = 19,05mm
7/8 = 22,225mm
1” = 25,4mm
1”1/8 = 25,57mm
1”3/8 = 34,92mm
1”5/8 = 41,éèmm
Je pense que vous en avez assez pour la construction de vos ruches. Si vous avez d’autres renseignements, n’hésitez pas me contacter. Pour votre information j’ai exploité des Warré en professionnel durant des années, je connais également bien ces ruches et j’ai eu la chance de rencontrer une paersonne qui avait connu personnellement l’abbé Warré.
Cordialement J.TURCHET
By: jacques TURCHET on 01/20/2010
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Bonjour, Jacques Turchet
Je vous remercie pour toutes vos réponses je vais construire ma ktbh avec mes propres dimensions se sera plus simple pour moi que de convertir de plus le matériel que je dispose ne me permet pas respecter un plan bien précis.
J’ai une dernière question: est-il vrai que les abeilles ne collent pas les rayons de cire aux parois de la ruche?
Encore une petite au sujet des warre et je vous laisse tranquille. Vous avez exploité des warre en professionnel, qu’avez vous utilisé des cadres ou des barrettes?
Merci.
Roland
By: leze roland on 01/20/2010
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Leze Rland, Bonjour,
Pour mes ruches Warré, j’ai utilisé un cadre spécial que j’ai fabriqué, très pratique car le dessus est en bois et le cadre en acier rond. Avec les barrettes, les abeilles collent aux parois, seules les KTBH avec inclinaison ne collent pas. Attention avec vos KTBH, ne faite pas n’importe quoi car ces ruches ont fait l’objet d’une étude sérieuse en Angleterre acvant la mise en fonctionnement. Si vous êtes en France passez moi un coup de fil et je vous donnerai les dimensions, je ne peux pas vous passer les plans sur ce forum, ça ne marche pas et je ne peux pas y arriver, j’ignore la raison mais rien ne passe. Tel. 03 85 31 54 11
si je ne suis pas chez moi, laissez moi un message afin que je vous rappelle, une explication verbale est toujours bénéfique.
J.TURCHET
By: Jacques TURCHET on 01/21/2010
at 5:30 am
We are trying to construct a top bar hive from your instructions but are getting confused!! Are you working with plywood or lumber? In the beginning you reference 1 x 6″ lumber, your measurements are bigger than lumber. Are you using plywood?
Also, you reference the top bars and then then full frames. Which are you using?
Thanks! Barbara
By: barbara cooper on 02/06/2010
at 3:25 pm
Hi Barbara,
Three 1 x 6″ sticks are glued together to form the basic building stock. All hive body components are cut from it.
This hive is designed as a top bar hive. But it is big enough to accommodate deep frames beneath the top bars on a limited basis. The usual situation would be to use a deep frame nuc to stock the hive. And then remove the frames once the bees are established on the top bars. Another instance might involve feeding the hive with conventional frames of honey or equipment, which are removed when not needed.
This hive is a very tall top bar hive. The tall design is optimal for my cold, harsh environment. But it might not be optimal for yours. Before settling on this design, be sure to read my hive body design page.
A shorter design, like my next top bar hive might be a more suitable design for someone in a more bee friendly climate.
Regards – Dennis Murrell – BWrangler
By: Dennis Murrell on 02/06/2010
at 8:52 pm
It is my understanding that the primary reason for sloping the sides at any angle off of vertical is to discourage the bees from building comb all the way to the sides, which would of course it much more difficult to remove any individual top bar and its comb. Have you found that the eight degree angle is enough to keep the bees from building all the way to the edges? And, isn’t this a potential flaw in your “ultimate” design?
By the way, thanks for your great site. I have spent the entire afternoon exploring and reading. I really appreciate your many and varied experiments, and your keen observations.
Best,
Rick
By: Rick Crites on 02/06/2010
at 4:34 pm
Hi Rick,
Your right Rick. It would be a potential flaw if my experience hadn’t indicated otherwise.
Sidewall slope is a debatable topic among top bar hive beekeepers. I’ve tried various sidewall slopes (22.5, 19, 8, 0) and found no difference in the amount of attachment. When the comb needs extra strength, the bees will attach it to the sidewall to reinforce it. Could I be wrong? Sure.
Someone always seems to come along, every so often, and say they’ve found the perfect slope. And I don’t doubt their observation. It probably worked great in a particular situation. But let that situation change and the bees will reinforce the comb when it needs it.
I suspect the honeybee would be confronted by lots of different geometries in a natural cavity. But I doubt that they are easily confused by it.
Top bar beekeeping is always going to involve cutting attachments and offending comb. There’s just no getting around it.
Regards – Dennis Murrell – BWrangler
By: Dennis Murrell on 02/06/2010
at 9:30 pm
After I wrote the comment above I found the page where you mention your research on side slope. If the bees really don’t care about the slope, I see why your ultimate design would be rectangular: it would be that much easier to build. Since I have no personal experience with top bar hives (yet), I am inclined to believe your results. You seem to be a careful researcher and observer. I was only asking because I am preparing to build my first TBH and want to do it as “right” as possible. Having seen some of the same reports you mention by others about the need for some slope, I could help but want to ask.
Thanks for your quick response. And thanks again for all the useful observations and instructions on your site. I have found it to be extremely interesting and useful. You are one of only a few bloggers about the TBH that I have seen that actually has MANY years of bee experience, and who actually does and documents experiments on the subject. Keep up the great work.
By the way, did I see you say somewhere that you had moved to Florida? I am in the Tampa area, and would be interested in any information about the changes you have found to be necessary here to accommodate our (much) warmer climate.
Best,
Rick
By: Rick Crites on 02/07/2010
at 7:18 am
Hi Jacques,
Sorry for the misunderstanding! I don’t speak French. Wish I did.
I haven’t found the lack of a landing board, or as Google translates it as a ‘trampoline’ a drawback.
The bees seldom have such an arrangement in nature and do fine without it. But I’ve wondered it there wasn’t some advantage. After watching them regarding the landing board, I think there is some small advantage when the weather is hot and the bees are ventilating the hive.
They will line up one behind the other and fan their wings, each helping the other move air in the process. With a landing board, more of them will line up behind each other than on a vertical surface. I’m not sure whether is more efficient. Or needed more with the additional congestion a landing board can create.
Regards – Dennis Murrell – BWrangler
By: Dennis Murrell on 12/23/2009
at 7:54 pm
Bonjour, Dennis
Merci de la réponse, oui éffectivement dans la nature les abeilles n’ont pas de tremplin d’envol, c’est encore une invention de l’homme mais certainement pas indispensable aux abeilles. Dans notre société matérialiste, nous ne repectons plus la nature et nous ne savons plus l’étudier, c’est une grave erreur de notre part. Je vais respecter vos remarques qui sont bonnes.
Bien cordialement J.TURCHET
By: Jacques TURCHET on 12/24/2009
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